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There was a time when American politics was interesting for me as an outsider and I used to read practically every article with great interest, until... .... ...in steps George W Bush! As a media person I felt George made politics boring and uninteresting, yet funny. Whenever he made a speech I would rather read a hard copy of it than to sit and waste my time infront of a TV. But, I have a feeling that politics in the US will become very interesting again soon! Yep, infact much more popular as George Bush is unpopular at the moment! hehe
Two very interesting candidates have stepped up to take part in the presidential race - Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton. Thanks to the Iraq war & public disillusion with Bush & Republicans losing votes...2008 is looking like an awesome year for the Democrats...Could this be a chance for America's first black or first woman president?
And what difference could they really make?
I'd like to hear your views?
Two very interesting candidates have stepped up to take part in the presidential race - Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton. Thanks to the Iraq war & public disillusion with Bush & Republicans losing votes...2008 is looking like an awesome year for the Democrats...Could this be a chance for America's first black or first woman president?
And what difference could they really make?
I'd like to hear your views?
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Unsu...
Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:48 AMLOL!! I was thinking the same thing, and it actually hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday morning. We are about to have a black man or white woman president!! - Provided the electoral college does not cheat and pick the unpopular white male democrat (forgot his name??) despite who the people actually vote for.
Thought I possibly wouldn't see it in my lifetime.
George Dubya jacked this one up for his cronies for real this time!! hehe America has spoken. This is multicultural society and it is time for it to be represented like that. My mother said, and she has lived through many presidents, that George W. is the worst one, by far.
I was like Ma, what about Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan??, etc., she said, none of them - George is the worst. He is the worst (in terms of his competency, not his unscrupulous behavior towards black folks, like Reagan and crack/cocaine hit in the 80's - don't get it twisted). But what is so bad with George W. is that he sent innocent young men over to die just to finish his fathers business with Saddam, all in the name of the "war on terror". He lied to the people to do it. Straight up bullshittin folks.
Georgy boy just tied a blind fold around his eyes and through the dart. It may have landed on Iraq (maybe Iran, Syria, who knows) and now Saddam is dead, and he and his Iraqi peoples had NOTHING to do with 9/11 attacks.
Georgy boy had to pick some middle easterner to punish though, oh hell it might as well be Saddam, my father told me to do it, and not the one ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE for killing amerians, bin laden.
Bin laden still running around in the weeds. Chilling, playing video games.
I was gonna vote for ol' Hilary gal. She even got a myspace site. But Barack showed up. And he is my favorite now. hehe.
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 12:44 PM
I am afraid for brother Obama,tho....
I just DO NOT trust most the political machine(esp the Repub's) to treat him 'fairly', I keep having waking nitemares about the kind of mudslinging and image assination that he and his wife are gonna have to go thru.... I am glad to see that so many folks are so hopeful about his chances..., but i just don't have that kinda faith in this fracture, out for self country of ours....
I think deep down inside, even the more 'moderate' non-melanin Americans just cain't deal with the idea of a colored runnin' things....
And which ever 1 of DOES end up in the White House, will be the BIGGEST sacrificial lamb EVER.......
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Mon, January 29, 2007 - 1:11 PMIt has already started. There is a woman who uses Obama to compare him to Osama Bin Laden because his father was Muslim. That's the extreme far right but if need be I'm sure Karl Rove and his kind could work it into something...I am not afraid for him I think if he runs he will be prepared. As will Hillary. The interesting thing about both of them is the way they come to being "black" and a "woman". In his book he details his issues about race because of his mixed heritage and the way he was treated. His use of drugs to run away from it. Hillary of course has been in the White House so she has an interesting perspective. Both of them are just not a black and woman candidate they are candidates who bring a perspective that no candidate has brought before because of their life experiences of who they are as individuals as well as because of their ethinicity and/or gender. -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 1:20 PM
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 1:21 PM
I do find it interesting that 'Bamas' been so upfront about his drug use....
OH, to have been around while his sexy self was on a bender.....!!!! -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 3:33 PMHahaha,
you slay me...literally
I think he's been so open about it because politcally it was a smart move. He doesn't have to deal with the "did you inhale, Bill Clinton mumbo jumbo"
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None of the above
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 11:12 PMAs people and as public servants, I like both of them. But as someone who has thought long and hard about what America and the world needs in the body of the next President I can't endorse either of them. Now if we get to a choice of either of them or someone like John McCain or Jeb Bush, I will actively campaign for either. But this early in the process, I think that we need to "cast a wider net".
It is only because of the "common wisdom" that we look to those persons already in office to find the next president. I think that we are in such a dire condition, wherein every decision made by the 44th President of the US will have unprecidented impact for generations yet to come. I think that we, the electorate, need to "draft" someone outside the halls of power. We should look at the areas of needed expertise and acumen; and from those identify charactersitics and then go about finding the candidate most likely to fill the bill.
In that examination of characteristics, I feel that the first and most crucial is character. We need someone who is there to serve the public good as opposed to exercising power. We need someone more like Jimmy Carter in that respect. Barak is leading on character points with me, but Hillary isn't too far behind. The second characteristic we need is intellect. We need someone who is a globalist in their outlook and a synthesist in their thinking. We need someone who can analyze and learn rapidly, who most importantly is unafraid of new information. Bill Clinton and once again Jimmy Carter have been the closest to the mark in that respect. Howard Dean (whom I campaigned for) was another by virtue of his accomplishment of becoming a medical doctor before becoming an elected official. Al Gore would have probably been the "one", but we will never know.
Next vital feature is pragmatism. We must have someone to lead us who is attached to reality, as opposed to an ideology or religion, like GWB. We need someone who sees the world as it is and looks for ways to work with the tools at hand to create the world that should be. I think of Bobby Kennedy as the exemplar of that modus. Then there is charisma. In order to lead he is going to have to be likeable and appealing. This disqualifies Dennis Kuchinich; who otherwise fits the bill completely. He has to be able to make the people of this country who feel rather than think be willing to give him a chance to do his job.
Next come life experience. I was appalled when George H.W. Bush was running for President and was asked by an interviewer, what was the current price of a loaf of bread. He didn't have a clue. Unless he (or she) has had a bigger need than a budget to work with, and has had to make tough choices for the benefit of his family, that person is disqualified. We can no longer afford as a society to have another member of Skull and Bones, or its equivalent to sit in the Oval Office. It is also vital that this person have life experience in common with the rest of us, so that he can identify with us and be in alignment with us.
Military experience is a good thing but not nearly as crucial as the realization that war is a no win situation. There are no victors in wars, only a hierarchy of loss; with one side being on top, usually only temporarilly. We need a leader who will exhaust the full range of diplomatic options before ordering the Aircraft Carriers to deploy. He must also, listen to the Generals and Admirals; who disagree with him, even if he has been a General or Admiral himself. We have the power to annihilate the world, but not the power to restore it afterwards. Our leader must know this in his heart.
This person must also be a skilled executive. She must be able to recruit, motivate, manage and take advice from a wide array of experts in diverse fields, and be able to combine their input to formulate policy, and then bring her entire instrumentality to bear on the problems of the day. And she must in the selection process find individuals to work with who will be able to forsee the crisises of the future, as opposed to being vested in a world view that is passe, and based in the illusions of the past.
Finally this worthy leader must have a faith. I don't care what that faith is. I only demand that this individual truly believe in a higher power. An athiest would be as destructive as a phony Christian like GWB. I would prefer someone who considers their faith to be none of your or my business, and refuse to submit to the litmus test of any Religious Leader or Guru. Such an individual will recognize that although they have faith, they may have gotten it all wrong. That person with faith and awareness of their human imperfection will defend to the death anyone else's faith; whatever it may be. I want a Christian (or Jewish, Mormon, or Bahai, or Agnostic, or Deist) who has no problem saying, "'ašhadu 'an ā ilāha illā-llāh, wa 'ašhadu 'anna muħammadan rasūlu-llāh", and mean it and not feel that it takes away from his or her faith.
These are the major catergories that we must examine the candidate for President within. I don't think that Hillary or Barak are that person. In truth I don't know who is. I certainly am not. Of course we may have to make some compromises in selecting this new leader, but the fewer compromises we make the better. I hereby open the floor to nominations. I would love to see one of us in that role. The closest to it I can think of would be Andrew Young, but he's getting on in years and is frankly not interested in the job. -
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Re: None of the above
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 11:02 AM
Interesting last 2 paragraphs..... I'm curious to ask..., why is a religous belief important...., if the religion itself doesn't matter (and u give points for NOT disclosing ....).., well, okay, as i think about it - i can grok wanting ur elected fuck-up..., er- i mean official, to believe in a higher power....
My remaining question is- why do u so assuredly assume that an athiest would nessecarily be BAD? Especially why do u think one would absolutely be as bad as a harrowingly, evilly, hypocritical bible thumper like GW.... THAT i find hard to believe... Hypocrosy at the level that our Monkey King practices, i feel would be extremely hard to surpass................
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Unsu...
Re: None of the above
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 3:49 PMBarack Obama being president would inspire millions of african americans. Just the shear imagery of it.
Most people don't pay attention to political agendas, especially the young. Unless the issue is percieved as dangerous to them and others.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 4:19 PMRight on both counts, my brilliant sister. "Barack Obama being president would inspire millions of african americans. Just the shear imagery of it." Yet for this nation to be successful, and for that matter to get someone elected President, will require the participation of white people. We are still a minority. If every single Black person who was eligible, were to register and vote, we could not in and of our own efforts elect a President without the coalition with whites.
"Most people don't pay attention to political agendas, especially the young. Unless the issue is percieved as dangerous to them and others." This is also true. But it hasn't always been. The current state of and trend toward political apathy has taken 3, now almost 4 generations to bring about. That is why during the Depression and the lead up to WW2, millions of Americans were willing to mobilize and take to the streets and demand change. It was the post WW2 period and the "Red Scare" and "McCarthyism" that frightened the electorate into silence. The sense of futility in the hearts of the people has been carefully implanted and nurtured by the media and political machines, both of which have been in control of the Oligarchs, who control the majority of the wealth of this nation. We can change that perception. We can educate, instigate, and mobilize the masses of this nation and the world. It already is occuring in other nations and we can make common cause with progressive forces around the world and bring about change in this country as well.
It only takes 1 person to decide to act. Just like at a candlelight vigil or demonstration; it starts with one candle being lit (or one person being inspired). That person passes the light to 3 or 4 people around him, and keeps his candle lit. Those 4 pass the light onto 4 more and they in turn, and so on and so on. At the end of 12 generations of passing that original flame on, you have 67,108,864 candles lit. Most demonstrations I have been to never get beyond the 7th generation of passing on the light. It usually takes about 4 or 5 minutes. But at the end of the 4 or 5 minutes; you'll have 65,536 candles lit. Now everyone came there with a candle expecting it to be lit. Working with ideas and minds will take longer. But if just 4 people reading this message take it upon themselves to go out into their daily lives and convince just 1 person today, 1 the next day, 1 the next day, and one the next day to start next Monday and do the same; and then do nothing else but wait. In just 12 weeks; 3 LOUSY MONTHS we will have that 67 million people and the following week, we will have the entire population of the United States, commited to change and demanding that change be made manifest.
It wont require a massive budget or vast organization, just an hour or so to find someone and convince them. All the powers that be don't have the power to stop us. They will have no leaders to attack, no churches to bomb, no newspapers to torch; and the change will come. Imagine. Believe. Manifest.
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Tue, January 30, 2007 - 3:51 PMMy remaining question is- why do u so assuredly assume that an athiest would nessecarily be BAD? Especially why do u think one would absolutely be as bad as a harrowingly, evilly, hypocritical bible thumper like GW.... THAT i find hard to believe... Hypocrosy at the level that our Monkey King practices, i feel would be extremely hard to surpass................
First let me reiterate; I want someone with faith. I would prefer that faith to be in a higher power, but I am willing to support someone who has a faith in a Higher Principle; which is not anthropomorphized. Yet I believe that faith gives you strenght. It is faith that sustains the individual and gives them the ability to withstand a hopeless situation and still continue to work toward an unseen good. It is faith that inspires. In fact the root of the word inspiriation is spirit. It operationally means spirit within.
A man or woman with faith; has more than him or herself as the final arbiter of their actions and the intentions upon which those actions are based. What is the raison d'etre, for an Athiest's morality? What is the "firewall" which stands between such an individual and their own self-interest; when issues such as survival of self and or family/clan are confronted? When logic and analysis says all is lost, where does the Athiest find succor and additional strength?
Faith is a curious commodity. In some respects it is like sex. You don't know how good it can be until you get some. It is also like the difference between eating and being nourished. Eating will keep you going, but nourishment allows you to grow. Stefan, your statement, "i can grok wanting ur elected fuck-up..., er- i mean official, to believe in a higher power...." is perfectly reasonable, based upon the environment of the Post-Reagan Revolution you grew up in. The prejudice that postulates that all Governments are parasitical and all functionaries of Government are only parasites, does not take into consideration that; there have been Governments that have advanced Human values and interests. The US government is not now an exemplar of much that is good. Yet it has been in its past and can be again in the future. It's former iteration was the basis of every successful Democratic State of modern times. If we look at the Democracies of Europe, and the few functioning ones of South America and Asia; all of them are patterned upon the previous American Demcoracy.
And finally; if you look at societies that reject the concept of faith, in favor of political ideology (which they believed to be "scientific" and "empirical"), you will see some of the greates failures in Human History. The Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy all placed the State in the position of a diety, rejected all faith, and each in turn descended into the abyss. In the case of the last two; Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy; they did "officially" declare a faith in God; but just like the US under the Conservatives, such declarations were only a mask covering the contempt that the ruling elites felt toward anyone who trully had a faith.
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Unsu...
Re: None of the above
Tue, January 30, 2007 - 9:04 PMMonkey King LOL!
"Woe to the O land whose king is a child" -
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Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Thu, February 1, 2007 - 12:44 AMNO.
However, I'd like to believe that anyone we elect will be preferable to Chimpy McFlightSuit and his flunkys. -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Thu, February 1, 2007 - 8:42 AM"Neither God nor master!"
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Sat, February 3, 2007 - 10:49 PMyou killing me with that one!! Chimpy McFlightSiut?? OMG!! hilarious
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 2:41 PMAwesome posting guys, thanks :)...as much as I wanted to hear your opinions I am also learning what the feeling among Americans are.
Question (sorry if it is stupid)...With King's ideals and school of thought strong among black Americans, you think Barack Obama will run the Oval Office with a soft hand or will he adopt a more aggressive approach like Malcom X? -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 3:15 PMI am not sure if Obama adheres to either of those schools of thought. With his background even though I am sure he's aware of both King and Malcolm X he is not a "follower" of either. He wasn't raised in the same tradition as alot of African Americans with his father from Nigeria and living in Hawaii....but maybe someone from Chicago where he has held office would be better at answering this type of question. There is also one thing to remember, even though Dr. King still had a non-violence approach he had begun to listen to alot of younger people in "the movement" in terms of what could be done to foster change...and it wasn't always singing negro spirituals.... -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 3:33 PMNo the ruling party steal another election with social hot buttons and out and out thieving? OF course they will. As the election grows closer watch the photograph of Osma Ben Laden get darker,and darker and darker till they start arresting brothers at car washes.
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Fri, February 16, 2007 - 5:51 PMLooks like it might come to pass. I did not think I'd see this in my lifetime. I'm concerned for Obama, I have much respect for him and wish him the best. He's speeches are full of passion and I believe he wlll do a wonderful job. Right now this country needs someone who will talk straight. I pray for his safety and along with his family. -
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Re: Is America about to have its first black...or woman president?
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 3:22 PMI too pray for his success and the full unfoldment of his vision and destiny. However if it comes to pass that he succeeds in attaining that high office, and then gets Martyred. Inshallah. It may seem harsh to say so; but MLK, RFK, JFK, and MalcolmX did not see their works realized. It was only in the aftermath of their deaths that their visions became seen and adopted by the widest group.
There would be no greater impact on American Racism; than to have its true face shown to the world by the first popularly elected Black President being murdered. It would be like the images of white police siccing dogs, clubs, and firehoses on the Civil Rights demonstrators. It was those images that reached the hearts of Americans, much more than the oratory of MLK, or the rhetoric of Malcolm X.
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